For past messages, see here, here, here, here, here and here. Thanks

For messages left here on this talk page, I will respond on this talk page. It gets confusing and tiresome having to jump from talk page to talk page to read a conversation or add a comment.--Otherarrow 04:50, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Contents 1 Related Video Module 2 Slight Issue 3 Nearly Identical classes 4 Vandal + PPFD 5 Serlis (Seliph) mistake 6 Awakening & Voting 7 IP Switching Vandal 8 Icon thing 9 Cross Page Vandal 10 Stonenav 11 Quick Request 12 It Seems Moveageddon Is Upon Us 13 I think it would be more appropriate to ask you this and not Aivass 14 Awakening Videos 14.1 Another thing 15 WeaponStat Oversight 16 A Small Thing To Think About 17 Merging Into Weapon Rank Article 18 Headsup 19 User Page Vandal 20 Speculation on Grima 21 I Have an Idea 22 New playable Character category 23 DevilX90 24 Gawain and Greil 25 Shin Megami Tensei 26 New Category: Unseen characters 27 Recent Vandalism 28 Compare 29 98.229.89.2 30 Fire Emblem UK Event 31 Clean up the Votes for Featured Articles 32 Fixing the Languages Notes for Lon'qu, Cherche, and Panne. 33 A Long Time Coming 34 A Small Maintenance Note 35 I See What You Said There 36 64.2.184.130 37 Spring Cleaning 38 Moving Category Pages 39 H3y 0th3r4rr0w 40 Re: It doesn't need a image. All the visuals for the Dark Knight are reused from elsewhere. Paladin icon, Cavalier battle sprite, etc. 41 Morgan Vandal + Stuff 42 Thanks for Welcome 43 This File Here... 44 DLC Converstations 45 Poll 46 Age info advise 47 On Wyverns 48 User:DevilX90 49 Talk Page Notifications 50 Quick elaboration about the Nowi images. 51 Potential Archetype? 52 Harvest Scramble Convos 53 Quick Message Regarding File Rename Requests 54 Bad IP 55 Divine Dragon translation 56 Localization of Caeda 57 Trivia 58 Merging Forrest Knight and Awakening Bow Knight 59 Clarification would be appreciated 60 I found some sort of goof in the wikia 61 Can you... 62 Deletion of Image 63 Re: Serenes Info. 64 Poll

Related Video ModuleEdit

Hey again, Otherarrow, Blue Rogue here again, hope things have been well for you!

I'm stopping by to ask whether you'd be interested in activating the Related Video Module for your wiki. It would sit on the right rail, underneath the Wiki Activity and Photo modules, and would link to Fire Emblem-related videos in our Wikia Video Library. Activating it is completely optional and up to you. Let me know if you'd like it or not : )

Thanks!

Doug (profile)•(talk)•(email) 01:49, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, well, I am not really fond of videos on Wikis in general, due to the fact that if the video gets taken down, it becomes useless to us, and all. So I am not really seeing a real use for this feature. Thanks for the offer though.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:13, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Slight IssueEdit

Hey Otherarrow, this is Parivir.

I dunno what happened, but I accidentally messed up Walhart's revealed English name by forgetting to replace the second L in "Valhalt" with an R, and it won't let me go back and fix it. Could you maybe help me out with fixing this one? Thanks.

--Parivir 01:26, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe I am just not understanding you, but your second move put it at Walhart. You are fine.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:32, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Nearly Identical classesEdit

I'm almost tempted to merge the classes that differ really only in name, that is: Barbarian/Brigand, Thief Fighter/Rogue, and Valkyrie/Female Paladin

Brigands basically didn't really exist in FE3, the npc class labeled Brigand was really just a renamed fighter using the same graphics, icon, and everything. Barbarians did all the same things brigands did, and their map icons looked very similar to the GBA Brigand sprite. FE4 is the only game where Barbarians and Brigands show up together as two real classes. The one distinction I can see is that Barbarians are treated as more of a threat and are more likely to appear outside of the early chapters.

Valkyries in FE9 and FE10 even wied swords, they fulfill the same role and have never appeared in the game. I think IS changed the name of female paladins to Valkries to avoid confusion.

The translation for FE5 at one point refered to Thief fighters as rogues, they're both promotions of Thief that look and fill the same role as their previous class.

On a side note, I typed this up earlier but due to a submission glitch, I had to retype the whole thing! Emperor Hardin (talk) 01:50, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Valkyrie/Paladin...Eh, I have to say no. Female Paladin in the Jugdral is basically a Paladin who can use staves. Yes, the class has more of a staff focus because of the class it promotes from, but it's still more or less a Paladin. Meanwhile, if I recall, the sword using Valkyrie is a personal class for Mist, and otherwise isn't much like the Jugdral Female Paladin (no lance, different stat layout, if I recall). If I recall, Barbarians and Brigands appear together in at least one game. So no, they are separate classes. As for Thief Fighter and Rogue....eh. I personally don't care, but someone might get pissy about us making assumptions. And fan translations aren't always right.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:57, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

While Mist is the only playable Valkyrie, there is a NPC sword using Valkyrie in the Battle Reunion chapter of FE9. Curiously, the FE5 version of Valkyrie can't use Lances unlike the FE4 version. The FE9 version is more physically fragile or at least Mist is.

I'm aware, Brigands and Barbarians were both in FE4.

I'll note the similarity on the Thief Fighter page. Emperor Hardin (talk) 02:07, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Does the NPC use a recolor of Mist's model? Please say yes. Please say yes. But yeah, even if the Thracia version lacks lances, it does seem to otherwise have the stats, while the FE9 Valkyrie is more fragile. I can kinda get where you are coming from (I wouldn't be surprised if Valkyrie was inspired from the female Paladin) but I do think it's a bit of a stretch to outright merge them, and, again, folks might get on to us for technically not being accurate. If that makes sense?--Otherarrow (talk) 02:11, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

The NPC uses a green version of Valkyrie Mist's MAP model and you can't see her battle model due to her NPC status. Why were you so curious about her modell. Anyway, I get your main point about being people possibly being annoyed if we change around class pages too much. Emperor Hardin (talk) 02:18, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, recently I've been amusing myself by looking at how often PoR reuses models. Did you know that Swordmaster!Mia is a recolor and very slight edit of Lucia? That Sage!Ilyana is more or less a recolored Calill?--Otherarrow (talk) 02:22, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

I noticed those promotions right way, I promoted Ilyana before I got Calill and was confused. Replaying it again now I'm noticing some models are actually more different then you'd think: Devdan's lips are visible through his helmet, the boss Kayachey has an old face, Heddwyn has a unique mustache, and my favorite is Gashilama's shirt and bright jewelry in addition to his facial hair. Emperor Hardin (talk) 02:28, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Heh. Lazy in some areas, extra detail in others. How amusing.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:35, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah its surprising they'd put extra detail into minor boss characters. A sophisticated Berserker with alot of bling is pretty funny to me. Emperor Hardin (talk) 02:59, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Vandal + PPFDEdit

If you would, take a look at User:TechRoblox34‎'s last two contribs. Yeowch. Also, there is something in the Pages Proposed For Deletion (I'll just say PPFD) that will require a bit of coordination, so I thought I'd ask if you could review the deletion requests. It has to do with WeaponStat template demos, but I think you'll get it when you see the deletion reason. I will take responsibility for fixing the template redirects, and the pages that use the templates won't be affected.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 01:44, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Also, there's a double redirect still in cache that I can't solve.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:07, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

And that double redirect would be? Seriously, not psychic here.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:10, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

The only one in the cache -->[1].--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:12, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

The cache that I don't automatically know what is in it. Next time, just specify what you need me to delete. Again, not psychic, and I don't have tabs open to all these special pages up 24/7. Also, there was no WeaponStat demo in the deletion pile. I deleted a TS WeaponStat, so you (or whoever put the notice up) could move whatever there.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:23, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Right. Ok. If I annoyed you, I'm sorry. I didn't know what to ask to delete because it wasn't a traditional case, where the 1st redirect page is usually supposed to go to the 3rd. Otherwise, I would have done just that. I usually go to the Special Pages via the toolbox, though. Thanks for this. We had a good day today. 17 pages created, and getting above 3,600 articles and 8,500 images, plus a new FE console game (on which I agree with your recent postings).--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:30, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Just waiting for the WeaponStatTS template ghost to leave deletion limbo. Then I will begin.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:35, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

All done. Ready for deletion review. I will eventually get to other Templates, but it's wise for me to do them one at a time, and close to immediately.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 04:37, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

OK. Ready when you are.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:18, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Right. When I wrote "immediately", it was about fixing the template redirect links right after the template move and deletion request went through. In retrospect, I may have not been as clear on that as I would have liked. Anyway, I think I will go after WeaponStatFE2 next. Fewer links. I'll set it up now. All those redirect links will be fixed by end of day.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 19:15, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't expecting WeaponStatFE1&3 to be taking this long to leave deletion limbo. I can't move the other template there until the wikia thinks nothing is actually there. Otherwise, I'd hop right on it. That'd be all for today, though. Thanks for the help so far.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 02:11, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Serlis (Seliph) mistakeEdit

Sorry about that, I'm taking the name off of Serenesforest and for some reason I kept on thinking it's Serlis for some reason. I forgot that it's now Seliph, I'll make sure to put his name as Seliph as I continue to put the Special Conversations.Nauibotics (talk) 01:05, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry that I snapped at you, but...yeah I was honestly confused and bugged. But it's still my bad. Also, does Serenes actually use Serlis? I though they still used Celice. I think you may be confused because the most recent version of the fan translation uses Serlis...for some reason I don't really understand. (They don't use "Zigludo")--Otherarrow (talk) 01:07, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

EDIT:But yeah, be mindful of what names the Wiki is using. If they get changed when the SpotPass comes out, we can deal with it then.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:08, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

No worries, it really is my fault. I really should have checked his name like I did with Dierdre and Malice. Serenes uses Celice but for some reason I’m stuck with Serlis rather than Seliph before you corrected me. Even the wiki suggested Serlis for Seliph when I was editing. As for the future spotpass or if the DLC comes out before the set names I’ll update the names for them on these pages I mean we've done a good job with the Awakening character name updates for all the pages. I just wanted to get it down now so it'll save time later once I get busy with school.Nauibotics (talk) 01:25, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Awakening & VotingEdit

At the extreme risk of coming across as annoying, which I will take full blame for, this is happening, and...today would be the only day it could be done. The initial nomination was found to be invalid, but we have a very strong showing for the other. Given the nature and timing of FE13's release, would you mind rendering judgement today, if able? I would imagine it would only take 5 minutes. Sorry if I'm out of line here.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 14:55, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Fuck. I thought I delegated this thing to someone else because I am too busy to deal with it? Seriously. Also, I don't want to feature Chrom because that article is no where near finished, and won't be for a while because the game isn't even out. Seriously, featuring it now would be just dumb hype. I can't feature this article in good faith.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:56, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, I understand. Alright then. Sorry if I upset you in any way.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 17:10, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Oh you didn't do anything wrong. The guy who was put in charge of this went inactive and I am really lazy.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:32, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. I guess that'll be something to look into for the future, then.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 17:44, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

IP Switching VandalEdit

This might've gotten lost after all the editing being done today, but the IP who blanked the Soren page came back with a new addresss and the same aim. I reverted it. You already got the old IP. Here is the new one: 83.50.221.155--Aivass Remurias (talk) 21:55, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Icon thingEdit

Well it was just a thought. It's not nesseccary, it does make it look a little nicer. Like I said for one of the summaries, it  can be reverted if you feel the need to.--Nauibotics (talk) 23:49, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

As I mentioned on your talk page, it may look nice with the classes who only have skills in Awakening, once we start adding icons from previous games, it's just going to be a odd looking mess. If that makes sense. It's a nice thought though.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:51, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Cross Page VandalEdit

IP: 184.90.81.123, pages: Ike, Flavia, Basilio, Moulder. Sorry to bother you.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 19:25, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

You aren't bugging me. If anything, it's my fault for not being as on the ball as I should be.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:52, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

To clarify, I said that not because of that, but because, in the past, you have expressed that people coming to you for every little thing can be a bit of a pain, which I understand. I don't want you to think you are not on the ball, because I don't feel the same. Recently, I try and make an effort to only come to you if I can't do something myself first. To cut down on aggravation, that might be a good way to go.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:57, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

I feel coming to me for bannings is A-OK, as (as of this writing) you can't ban vandals, can you? I may respond rudely sometimes, but that has more to do with my mood than anything.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:59, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Same here, I understand. I like how you do it, since I am similar. I will get mad if the situation warrants it, say so, but I'm usually pretty quick on the apology. Funny thing is, I do get the block link along with the revert link in recent changes sometimes, odd, but I know it doesn't work.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:05, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

StonenavEdit

I am about to create Stonenav. You know, for the "weapon type" stones. Currently, there are only four, however. That might change in future releases. The Dragonstone is an odd case, because that appeared in other games, with the same name, as an item also. See, only FE13 stones are "true weapons" because they have weapon stats, not item stats and are given a weapon type, complete with a weapon type icon. All stones (except Dragonstone+, Beaststone, and Beaststone+) will remain on the Itemnav, because they were all items in at least one game. On the Itemnav, I will give those their own heading.

I'm letting you know because the template will be on the smaller side, and I think (could be wrong) that I've been around long enough to know how to handle an odd case such as this. I have actually been thinking about how to approach this for awhile, and I believe this is the best way to wikify this.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:10, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, it's in my sandbox. To sum up, the only things that would change now are Dragonstone+, Beaststone, and Beaststone+ being removed from Itemnav (they are not items), and...Stonenav being added/Itemnav removed...from those 3 pages only. Stonenav and Itemnav both would be present on Dragonstone.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:43, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Go for it.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:49, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Will do. Thank you for greenlighting this, if I may interpret it in that way.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:58, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Quick RequestEdit

Could you temporarily unprotect Template:Know? for 5 minutes? There were some links I wanted to fix and text I wanted to link that wasn't before. I'm not adding any new bullet points to it, though. Please monitor what I do, then reprotect it, if you would. Thanks.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:49, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Go for it.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:55, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, done. Pending your approval, you can re-protect it now.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:59, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

It Seems Moveageddon Is Upon UsEdit

Given the amount of page moves performed late yesterday and today, would you like to put a new list up in the forum topic we were using? I was fixing links that were supposedly fixed (probably were waiting on cache clear), and unless we coordinate some, there could be some substantial gaps.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 15:13, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

With the game out, there is too much for me to put on the page. With the Deadlords, I more or less admitted that the folks can do whatever, and they should only post on the page if they want to. With an entire game of content, having a list seems less feasible and might scare people away from doing it (I know I would be!). Problems with gaps and oversights is more to do with user laziness than it is anything a list can fix.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:22, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. I guess I will just fix what I can, when I can, and where I find them.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 15:25, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry for any trouble. It doesn't help that, me not having the game, I can't make a big list anyway.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:27, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Right, right. It's ok, no trouble. I will try and make a more concerted (albeit more long-term than I first thought) effort to make sure at least a good chunk of what needs fixing gets fixed.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 15:33, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think it would be more appropriate to ask you this and not AivassEdit

For Iron Bow, the data for Rekka no Ken/The Sacred Stones and Path of Radiance is the same, bar the icon. Usually, we merge sections that are identical/nearly identical, but I wanted to ask someone before I merged them. Your thoughts? --Thenewguy34^(Other) 13:56, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

If the stats are exactly the same, merge no problems I guess?--Otherarrow (talk) 14:50, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with that, go ahead. =) It's the same as I've said before regarding that, nothing changed. If the stats are exactly the same, please go ahead. Otherwise, use the appropriate template.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:04, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

I misunderstood. My fault. The icons for the weapon and weapon type aren't the same. Just merge if everything is exactly the same (like with some FE7-8 stuff). I'll go and fix it.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 18:01, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Awakening VideosEdit

Do you think we can start deleting some of the old Awakening videos now? Or should we wait a little longer (Or both, delete some and keep some)? You generally do not like videos on the wiki, so I felt I should ask you on this. --Thenewguy34^(Other) 00:48, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

If I was the one who made all the decisions, I'd never have them in the first place. Mark them for deletion if you want.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:55, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I will look at them and see which ones are no longer appropriate for the wiki. --Thenewguy34^(Other) 00:58, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Another thingEdit

Can you delete this rude comment on someone's blog please? Thanks. --Thenewguy34^(Other) 00:58, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

WeaponStat OversightEdit

If you would, take a look at this. I figured the scope was large enough to notify you.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 14:53, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

I'm intending to put all the correct templates on, and then rename the template afterwards. This will create a template redirect, which can be fixed, but does not disrupt the page view in the meantime. Given that the WeaponStats have not become super widespread yet, this is the way to do it with the least amount of hassle.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 15:02, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Do as you please. I don't really know much about templates and such.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:09, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. I did fix them. All that's left is to move the template to the correct name and change the template redirect links, then mark the template redirect for deletion. While I would like to rename it myself, I do not have the time to follow through on all the links at the moment. So out of courtesy, and in light of many other moves to track, I will wait until I have the time to contribute more.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 17:30, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

A Small Thing To Think AboutEdit

Would it be acceptable to make a policy out of not blanking a page when a delete tag is put on? I don't know why that caught on for so long. It makes it harder for the reviewer to determine whether or not the deletion request is legit. Case in point: unnecessary redirects. It makes it a lot easier when one can tell right away what it was redirecting to. Simple example.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 17:39, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

It is not a policy to do so either. I think that it's basically one guy doing it out of habit. We can always check the page history, but yeah, I think you should just ask whoever is doing it to stop. Sorry I can't be much help, but I don't think this is that big a issue.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:08, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Right, I guess so. It isn't, and honestly I'm not thinking of anyone in particular, either.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 19:20, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Merging Into Weapon Rank ArticleEdit

On this edit and edit summary, I just had a bit of a yikes moment. The edit summary is fairly telling. Found here -->[2]. I admit that merging is not easy and can (and was) a bit of a pain, especially when one page doesn't have all the right/complete info and vice versa. I'm sorry if I'm coming across in a bad way today, I just wanted to say a little something about it, plus I'm a tad rushed for time at the moment. Sorry about that if applicable.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 21:14, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

...I don't get what you are saying.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:38, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Ok.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 10:28, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

HeadsupEdit

Throwing a headsup; cut someone's 'Puerto Rico Marth' as it's pretty blatantly not something that belonged there to say nothing of poor formatting. I'm newish this this particular wiki, but wanted to leave the headsup as to not step on any toes. Cheers! — Aryn Comms 06:04, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

User Page VandalEdit

IP: 217.79.179.55 made a very mean and blatant vandalism edit on Engweimin's user page. I already undid it.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 17:10, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Speculation on GrimaEdit

I relabeled the section mysteries which I think is more fitting then Speculation. There are alot of questions on Grima, so I think it could use a short section on the currently unknown history of the creature. We had similar speculation on the Black Knight and such on the past, so I think it could work.

Also, while most of the pre-degenerated Earth Dragons fought in a war with the Divine Dragons to supress humanity(this was the war Loptous was from), that was to prevent the Dragon race from declining and in rejection of Naga's idea of stepping down for the age of man. This isn't the same as wanting to cause the apocalypse as Grima does. After the war at the time, Naga, the two seemed to have an uneasy peace rather then Naga sealing or wiping them out. As indicated by the friendship between Naga and Young Medeus when dragons started to degenerate, Naga cared about the well being of the sentient Earth Dragons. Emperor Hardin (talk) 06:20, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough on the speculation, but I do think it's implied that Naga and Medeus weren't friends. I believe the implication is that Medeus resented (if not flat out opposed) Naga before the Earth Dragons were sealed and was tasked to guard over the seal anyway because it was his race. If that makes sense. But yeah, on the other end, I do believe that Naga did care for the Earth Dragon's well being despite their hatred for her and her people.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:56, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Thats a valid intereptation. My belief was that initially Medeus had quite a bit of respect for Naga which was why he obeyed him and agreed to guard the seal. But over time, Medeus grew to hate Naga and regret his decision. On another subject, based off artwork of Medeus reign, that he was a Dark Dragon by the time he formed Doluna. Medeus might've appeared as an Earth Dragon in the first game due to not regaining all of his power yet. Course, this is all speculation on my part. Emperor Hardin (talk) 01:01, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

I Have an IdeaEdit

Since in Fire Emblem: Awakening, there are a massive number of set growth rates, do you think that we should create a page like Vaike/All Growths or Lucina/All Growths, where we would put all of the growths for a particular character? --Thenewguy34^(Other) 11:59, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

If you think it's necessary, go ahead.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:59, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

New playable Character categoryEdit

I'm thinking of adding a Category for unlockable characters that are not fully playable in the main game. This way, characters like Riev and Raydrick wouldn't be in the main playable character category. It would be called Bonus Playable Characters or something similar.

To Clarify its use, it would be for characters that not only have to be unlocked, but are only playable in certain modes(Trial maps) or are less complete(like Spotpass units) then the other characters. Emperor Hardin (talk) 01:01, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

I see no problem with it I guess. Now, by Spotpass units, do you mean like Sigurd in Awakening, or like Gangrel in Awakening?--Otherarrow (talk) 01:11, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Like Sigurd in Awakening. Characters like Gangrel are very complete, have supports, unique heads/palettes, and basically all the stuff other playable characters have. I should've clarified Outrealm characters I suppose. Emperor Hardin (talk) 02:42, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Ah OK. Yeah, I get ya. Go for it.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:35, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'm calling it Bonus characters, does that sound good? It was either that or extra characters. Right, now I'm only doing characters that are only playable in bonus modes, rather then characters who are bonus content only in some games such as Hector and Hardin. Emperor Hardin (talk) 22:14, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

That sounds good to me.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:19, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

DevilX90Edit

I having trouble with this user called DevilX90 that he keeps reverting my edits on the List of chapters in Fire Emblem: Awakening, that I have no clue what he was doing, I was trying to remove those redirects that I just saw someone change the name and that links wasn't even changed in that page, so I was trying to keep those redirects out of the way, but I am not sure why he's saying I'm ruining the page for what purpose?-- King Marth 64 (talk • other wikis • blogs) 02:32, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Don't listen to King Marth 64. He's only trying to make those links inaccessible. Of course he's ruining it. So, tell him that those links must stay as it is (in other words, accessible in blue, not inaccessible in red), please. It's the only way.--DevilX90 (talk) 18:43, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

You are linking to redirects, or what will be redirects once pages are moved. It's regular to change links on a page for pages that you plan on moving but haven't yet. It saves time and prevents clogging up the recent changes from edits to the same page. Quite frankly buddy, you and your sour attitude is stretching my patience. Chill. King Marth has been around for a while and knows what he is doing. If you keep disrupting the wiki, I will have to take action.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:59, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

And this whole thing happened because King Marth wrote "and" in place of "&" and both of you refused to actually check the damn pages. What is wrong with you?--Otherarrow (talk) 03:04, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

He started it, and by "he", I mean King Marth 64. As for the "&" part, I would have done that sooner if it wasn't for "him" making those links inaccessible. --DevilX90 (talk) 19:12, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

That is not how it works kid. Linking to redirects doesn't "make the links accessible" It links them to redirects, which is wrong. You can change the and to the & even if it is red beforehand. Which is what I did. And, for another thing, don't try to claim that King Marth "started it". He made a mistake, which people do, but you were the one who linked to the redirect and generally threw a fit about it. I'd say both of you are partly at fault here, but I do think you are coming off worse here, if only because of your attitude. Seriously, chill.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:20, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well, congratulations, you have officially ruined the Miriel page, by stating that there is no such thing as "Perma-death" in Fire Emblem: Awakening, even though I'm telling you that there IS such a thing! Can't you see that characters die forever in Classic Mode, like in every single Fire Emblem game?! And yet, you state that "Mothers and other plot-important characters" AREN'T dead forever. Why would you ruin that page and lock it forever? I trusted you, and THIS is the thanks I get? --DevilX90 (talk) 18:35, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

The game treats them as dead, as in, you can never use them again, but the story doesn't. Mothers and plot important characters have to be alive for plot scenes that involve them or scenes with the children (if the mother was married before she was "killed"). This isn't even the first game that does this kind of thing, hell I recall characters retreating instead of dying as early as FE7. But I've already explained this to you, and you continued to revert anyway. If you trusted me, then you would have backed off after I explained it to you the first time. Locking the page was the only way to get you to stop, because you weren't listening at all. Seriously kid, calm the hell down and take a chill pill. Your bad behavior isn't going to get you any favours. I will unlock the page once it becomes clear that you aren't going to revert it again.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:56, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, what do you know about me "backing off"? Seriously, characters "retreating" instead of dying as early as FE7"? Did you even see an ending for any character who died, not retreated? Take Rebecca, for example: the moment after she was killed in action, or in this case, you let her die, the ending of that game says "Rebecca - A Wildflower: Died"! See? Proof enough that the characters can really die, not retreat, DIE! That's how the games are, there IS no "FE game that never even have Perma-death"! So please, do NOT even think that there is no such thing as "Perma-death"! --DevilX90 (talk) 19:18, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Kid. What part of "calm the hell down" don't you get? Your repeated bad behavior is trying my patience. Rebecca dies in her defeat quote, so you just picked a character at random with no clue to what you are actually talking about (a recurring trend I am noticing). Try Barte, or Marcus, or Karla. They don't die. They leave. Let me put it through to your thick skull: Permadeath is a gameplay function, not a story function. If the plot requires a character to live, and the character isn't a lord, they will have that character live if you let them die. Mothers in Awakening have to live to give birth to the children if they were married. Plot important characters like Lucina, Say'ri, Flavia, Basilio, etc have to live because they are important to the story. So they retreat instead of die. That's how it works. They are still treated as dead as far as gameplay is concerned, you can never use them again. Yes, the games 9 times out of ten will have characters die when they are killed, but they don't always. If you can't understand this, then don't even go near death/defeat quotes. It is clearly a concept too advance for you to understand.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:29, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

I can edit whatever page I want, and I DO so understand, about characters dying. Oh, and if I DO get near the death quotes? What are you gonna do, lock all the Awakening Character pages? Ban me for life? Huh?--DevilX90 (talk) 19:46, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

If you do indeed understand, do you promise to stop messing with the defeat quotes? Other users are going to be pretty sore once they learn the Miriel page is locked because you refuse to acknowledge something so simple. For the sake of reference, have you played Awakening yet? On the topic of banning, don't push your luck. You are already on thin ice as it is due to your repeated unnecessary rudeness and at least one instance of removing content. Let's just say you are pushing the limits of good faith on my end.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:53, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

(Sigh) Fine, I will stop messing with the defeat quotes, I'll still call those "death quotes" though. I don't need to play Awakening, because I know what's going on in the game. Alright, I'll stop, since you just told me that this is my last warning, and this time, you mean it. --DevilX90 (talk) 20:08, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. I've unlocked Miriel's page. As long as you dial back the rudeness and only revert vandals (don't be rude to them either. There is a common saying on the nets: "Don't feed the trolls"), I am sure you will be fine. I'll be keeping an eye on you.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:13, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Gawain and GreilEdit

The Black Knight refers to Ike's father as "General Gawain", he does not add Greil or ever refer to him by that name. Even calling Ike, son of Gawain. Based on this, it seems clear that Greil was a new name invented by Gawain to replace his old name when he left Daein. Emperor Hardin (talk) 19:06, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. I never played the Tellius games, so eh.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:12, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Basically Ike's father has used the names Gawain and Greil but never at the same time as one name. Ike had never heard of Gawain and Black Knight never once refers to Greil as anything but Gawain. Emperor Hardin (talk) 19:17, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Shin Megami TenseiEdit

Since Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem is official, should we create a brief article on Shin Megami Tensei itself?

(Another thing: I hope you got a good joke for 4/1 this year. I made Gaius' candy sour!)--Thenewguy34^(Other) 21:14, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Why would we? SMT itself is out of our scope and there is a perfectly good SMT Wiki to link to.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:04, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

New Category: Unseen charactersEdit

I'm thinking of creating a new category called Unseen Characters or something similar. Basically its for characters that are never encounted by the player, as in they are never seen or talked to in a chapter or cutscene. Essentially characters like Cornelius, Victor, and Orun will go in this category. I'm even thinking of a sub category called Legendary characters, for legendary heroes. Emperor Hardin (talk) 20:36, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure if that is nessicary. If you do want to do it, though, just start with "Unseen Characters" or "Background Characters" for now.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:20, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'll start witih Background characters. I'm not sure Legendary characters should be a sub category of it now, as some, like Brammimond and Morva are ingame characters. Emperor Hardin (talk) 21:42, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

That would be fine for now. If we do add Legendary Characters, it'd be separate I think. Just with some overlap.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:04, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Recent VandalismEdit

That was some very serious and far-reaching vandalism back there! I'm glad it was fixed (not sure if everything is 100% back to normal, but...ugh). The expiry time seems a little too soon (two weeks? How about indefinite?). Anyway to extend that? That was some of the worst vandalism I've yet seen. I respect that you need to be able to get away when you can (I sure do). I dunno. Just worried about that happening again. I'm glad that some other users were there to mitigate the damage. Looks like some IPs jumped in trying to help, although that might have made it harder, not sure.

As always, not trying to come across in a bad way, if that concern applies. It's good to have time off.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:25, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Concerning Cynthia's "pega-pony princess" trivia, where else could that fit?  I was under the impression the trivia section was for interesting facts that don't fit anywhere else.98.94.25.214 05:40, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

I think it would fit in the section of her profile with the other character and personality bits.--Otherarrow (talk) 05:54, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

CompareEdit

Based on this comparison, could you say that Warren's FE12 portrait was based off of Darros'? They look awfully similar in terms of basic creation; same pose, similar build, etc.--Thenewguy34^(Other) 11:18, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

98.229.89.2Edit

Hey, Otherarrow, some troll named 98.229.89.2 just keeps messing with other pages with all of this "Meg" crap. Would you kindly ban him for the sake of this wiki? Thanks.--DevilX90 (talk) 06:45, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Another user from higher up came in and blocked them while I was sleeping. Thanks for cleaning up after them though. Sorry about that.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:28, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Fire Emblem UK EventEdit

Hey there!

In case this applies to you, I wanted to draw your attention to an upcoming UK Fire Emblem event.

Best, Jorge (profile)•(talk) 21:04, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, sadly, I don't live in the UK so I can't help you there. Thanks for the offer though.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:06, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Clean up the Votes for Featured ArticlesEdit

Can you might possible to archive the votes (and plus, I can't even see that Jaffar was already won in the features pages, but Aivass claims that he said he was already won, but I can't seem to find him where he won in one of the sets.) But can you might just archive it the 27th set? I'm going to do a new nomination right now.-- King Marth 64 (talk • other wikis • blogs) 22:59, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

What? I don't understand what you are saying. Talk more clearly. As for setting up a new featured article, yeah sure.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:10, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

I can't write well remember? I saw Aivass said that Jaffar was already been featured, but I don't see him in either of the sets that said Jaffar won, but this is what Avaiss said about Jaffar, I don't recall ever seen Jaffar won, sorry I was trying to explain about it and I haven't seen this earlier.-- King Marth 64 (talk • other wikis • blogs) 23:32, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. I think Jaffar was featured before we got into voting and such.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:36, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Really? Since, when did he got featured at?-- King Marth 64 (talk • other wikis • blogs) 23:39, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

As I said, before voting started. Pay attention. I think the first two, Ike and Jaffar, were just sorta chosen by whoever set it up. The first one I did was Merlinus, but voting didn't start until after that.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:50, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Fixing the Languages Notes for Lon'qu, Cherche, and Panne.Edit

Sorry about this, but are you sure that we might do this since you put them replacing those four languages as European version since the official UK website has the same name, shouldn't we consider to fix so that we don't want to avoid confusions for the English European fans?-- King Marth 64 (talk • other wikis • blogs) 22:32, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

I think listing out all the languages is sloppy though. Would "Non-English European" be better?--Otherarrow (talk) 22:36, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah sure I think that would be better.-- King Marth 64 (talk • other wikis • blogs) 22:40, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hi!

I'm not sure how the 'junk code' is popping up. I don't know much about coding, so I'm copying and pasting other headers. I'll copy the header you've fixed, and see if that helps.

I noticed the < were bothering you, so I've stopped using them. Hope this helps! I'm also only putting them at the end. I had a great idea about their positioning, but on second thought, it's probably just confusing.

Thanks for your help!

Redemmo (talk) 23:36, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, no. It's probably my fault for just not getting it, but I do think that not confusing readers is key. As for the headers, if you are just copy pasting from elsewhere, that means that it's a problem on another page that we need to fix. Where is the page you were copying from?--Otherarrow (talk) 23:39, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

A Long Time ComingEdit

Several unused bot ideas for this wiki have me scratching my head in bewilderment, as in like "what the hell was I thinking, not bringing this up before!?" We need a Word Changer bot that changes all linked an un-linked iterations of a word on the wiki to the same name (obviously with some exceptions, like where we list old names of things (like the Fire Emblem website pages, Japanese and other language names of things at the beginning of each page, etc.)

In short, a bot is a program that is used to perform menial but repetitive tasks, like searching for and changing character names on all pages (although you probably already knew that). It is frustrating to watch as a user moves a page and then just up and leaves someone else to finish up. We should have good editors contributing in a more in-depth fashion instead of all this hair-tearing out that occurs when a new batch of localized names comes out and the mind-numbing task of having to fixing the links (unfortunately, sometimes people just fix the links, and not un-links). It puts an unneeded strain on the core editors and just everybody, really. Having users manually do it for so long clogged up both the user contribs and the recent changes.

Since you are the only active admin, could you please request a wikia staff member to flag an account that you or they can make as a bot that can do this? Just make a formal request to a wikia staff member and show them this thread so they sort of know what we are trying to make the bot able to do. This would be a pretty standard request to make of them; plenty of other wikias have this kind of bot as a resource. This is an important issue, I think, and I believe this is the solution. I dunno, I kind of miss the days when an edit actually meant a bit more than today. But yeah, we need this. I really think we shouldn't just write this off or put it off until later.

After the naming, I think we should use the bot to rename disambiguation page titles (like Luna (Skill), Astra (Skill), etc). Unless the item in the parentheses is a proper name (a game title, for instance, it should not be capitalized. A bot can expedite the process of correcting this, because it would be way too minor compared to the tedious and time consuming work involved. Perhaps as a reminder note to myself, the page "Lance (weapon)" should be renamed to "Lance (weapon type)", and the page "Skills" should be renamed to Skill (ability). Of course, moving these pages would be done by a user and the link work would be done by the bot.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 13:35, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

On a bit of a wikibreak because of this. Heavily applies to the renaming of categories, too. It is all being done manually. =/--Aivass Remurias (talk) 09:31, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I never noticed this, in part because you posted a entirely different topic within the same time frame and the "most recent message" thing directed me to that. Also, what? You come in here whining about a bot and about how we've been doing it wrong the whole time and how we should actually do it this way, but apparantly this isn't important enough to actually post separately from the topic below this, which was posted within ten minutes of this and, seeing as all the things you had to note for me there, probably started writing mere moments after you posted this one. Of course, now it's too late, as most of the things you want a bot for have been resolved manually, or were things I would just sort of smile and go "sorry, but no" to if you had asked about them politely. But instead you just barge on my talk page one day and go "you've been doing it wrong the whole time, it should go like this because I said so" and expect me to not get mad at you. This is a community, not the Aivass Show starring Aivass. Talk to us, not demand.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:38, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry if I came off rude there, but seriously, what were you thinking? Bringing up a major topic as if it was a footnote to something else, yell at us for doing everything wrong, then demand I get a bot despite the fact that I have no damn clue how one would go about doing something like that and then complain and try to guilt trip me over the fact that I didn't see this when you first posted it (which again, is because you posted another topic within ten minutes of posting this one). I feel hurt that you are basically telling me that we've been doing things wrong the whole time, and that we need some automated piece of crap to do it right, and I feel mad that you came in here demanding it of me as if you were the sole decider of such things. So forgive me for my anger and rudeness. I just...need to vent.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:11, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Now that I've calmed down a bit, I will just say, sorry again for my rudeness, and if you feel you have to take a break, by all means take one. You've deserved it Aivass. You are a good editor. You've done a lot to keep this place running.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:12, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Yelling, demanding, whining, barging, complaining, guilt-tripping and "you've been doing it wrong the whole time, it should go like this because I said so", the Aivass show?...=(...yikes, you're saying I did all that? I didn't think so. That's quite the statement.

Trying to help, gave a good explanation why and how to go about it. Really just a request by admin to wikia, and what to request included in my post. I post here because I can't do these things myself, and I try to find, sort, summarize and present in a complete and organized way. That meant making separate topics for, well, separate topics. You are the sole decider of such things, so when I have an idea I try to make it easy for you to see the what, why and how. The wikia doesn't work quite right in notifying changes to talk pages, both links show different things, so yeah, I understand that. Over the years I found out how to make sure I saw what changes were, on my talkpage for example. It's not a piece of crap, though, it will make things a lot easier, and there are still things it would help with. It's a basic request and a common practice.

I know it's hard to judge intent of things posted and the tone someone writes in, but by now I think it's fairly safe to assume I act in good faith. Looks like it's calmed down a bit now, sorry for any offense taken. I carefully reviewed both things I signed off on on this thread, didn't see anything that looked like a harsh or angry tone, but if you're cool, I'm cool. I guess I should use more emoticons in the future. Bottom line is I feel really bad that what I said made you feel this way. I'm very sorry.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:20, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

The whole "I am going on Wikibreak because we don't have a bot and I had to do that stuff by hand" did seem like whining and guilt tripping to me. And since you never brought up problems with, say (Skill), or Lance (weapon) until you were begging me for a bot does seem like you just decided one day "we need a bot, so I will declare that this is wrong because it is, so it should be changed with a bot". In other words, to me, it seemed like you made up problems to support your goal of getting a bot, not suggesting a bot to fix existing problems. (the localized name thing and users being lazy about that is a legit grip though, but one you didn't really put as much empathize on IMO) I don't think you realized just how hostile and demanding you actually were with your initial post. Of course, I could just be a jackass who reads everything as negative. Don't mind me.

As for the whole "just request Wikia" thing, what part of "I don't know how" do you not get? It's not like there is a manual they give out for what an admin can and cannot do. When I got admin powers, I was basically told that I can rollback, delete stuff, and move images. That's it. I have no idea where to start on getting a bot! As for the bot itself, laziness is already a rampant problem on the wiki, and I fear that just getting a bot and having it do all the actual work will just increase that. Maybe I am just old fashioned, but dammit, I liked when people were expected to clean up after themselves and had to actually put in work into projects. Not to mention even if we got a bot, I wouldn't know how to do anything with it. But these are just personal problems, and may not factor into anything. Again, sorry.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:50, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Skill and Lance were past things, yes, but FE13 (everything that goes with it how we went about solving it) and categories is the reason why I brought it up. I see what you mean, though. The hostile and demanding part, no, but everything else, yes. I'm sorry.

As for that last paragraph you wrote, I agree with you on this. Explained that way, I see your point.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:56, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

I was probably just overreacting like I always do. If I actually knew how to get and run a bot, I might be a bit more willing (though the laziness thing still sits with me), and having help on the FE13 stuff and categories (since you can't just move a category and all) would be nice. So are we cool? Sorry I was such an asshole.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:12, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

The laziness thing is debatable, I think. I may have been acting on some false assumptions, namely that you were more familiar with how to flag a bot account for Wikia to set up. We already have a couple of bots on this Wikia already, JoeBot and the one that auto-greets a new user are just a couple that come to mind.

Everythings cool at my end, I was pushing my self control for a little while back there, though, lol =P. I'm only saying the following sentence because I think there's some mutual respect here, but: Some of the adjectives and verbs you had me flagged on back there were...pretty damn hurtful, lol! But it's fine, I'm fine now. =) As long as you're cool, I'm all good and ready to continue as I have, no issue. I'd like to add that the wikibreak thing (clearly it's half-hearted after the fact) is not becuase I was making an...idle threat, for lack of a better word. It's more of a lack of self-control with respect to checking up on things. Even when not online, I'm still tinkering with a couple of ideas/projects.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:12, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, well, I apologize on the hurtful things said on my end. As for lack of self-control, what do you mean exactly? Or is it none of my business? Anywho thanks for all your help and sorry again for my dumb.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:27, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

We're good, we're good. Asking: regarding my first reference to self-control, or the second one?--Aivass Remurias (talk) 05:08, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

The one relating to possible wikibreaking.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:07, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Funny thing about that is that I had opted for the "turn off email notifications (overrides all other options) selection in my preferences quite a while ago, but I still get updates lol. The plan was for a temporary break. Since that somehow doesn't work the way it's supposed to, and because there is still work to be done, here I am, never really left lol.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 09:47, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Ah OK. Well, if you need to take a break, by all means. It's OK.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:11, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

I'm at-will. Even if I don't log in, I do still check up on most things, though.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 20:19, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

A Small Maintenance NoteEdit

This shouldn't take too long (maybe 10 minutes), but there are a couple of housekeeping things I can't do myself.

• Unused videos - We have a Mama Luigi video for some reason...can you axe it?
• Wanted categories - Could you remove the categories listed from the pages they appear on?
• Wanted pages - Could you fix the "Amsthrift" (something like that) and "Ignice" links in User blog:Nauibotics/Class and Skill Guide?
• Wanted photos - All the ones listed are on pages I can't edit.

For those last three bullet points, a faster and better solution would be to exclude the <user, user blog, user talk, and talk> namespaces from <wanted pages, wanted photos, wanted categories, and list of disambiguation links> indexing. I think the user talk namespace already excludes <list of disambiguation links> indexing, for example. Like, if I link "Astra" on my user page, I don't think the list of disambig links page even cares.

Thanks in advance.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 13:45, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

All of the wanted categories are on blog pages where, due to the way blogs work, I can't get to. I can edit the page, but the categories don't show up, so I can't remove them. You have to bother the original poster. I can't do anything. I've fixed the rest though. EDIT: It seems the system removed the categories automatically when I edited it. Odd.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:47, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

That phenomenon can happen with other things too, I noticed...Whoops. I made a thread just before this one that was overlooked because I was stupid and posted this one before you answered that one. Sorry.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 21:33, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Fire Emblem Wikia:Archived Polls...turns out the page is just a redirect of Fire Emblem Wiki:Archived Polls. Can you axe that redirect? In addition, there are a few other things proposed for deletion, some old redirects I found and some old version images that Engweimin is doing a superb job of updating.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 10:31, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

I See What You Said ThereEdit

"I do think there is value in having the whole card. Just a crop isn't needed when we have something else as the main image." Totally on board with you on that. I was actually wondering what you'd do. Was glad to see this is what you thought about it.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 15:56, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Btw, there are troves, troves I tell you, of TCG Scans (and I thought I'd seen them all) out there of all sorts of good things for us that would be very good for featured images, especially in the area of item and location TCG cards, (Tower of Blaggi, Agustria, etc.).--Aivass Remurias (talk) 16:00, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Do we even have a featured image? I wouldn't worry about that crap and just focus on getting said images on the pages where they are actually needed.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:07, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

64.2.184.130Edit

Hey, Otherarrow, there's another troll named 64.2.184.130, and he's messing with Williambasilone's page. Would you kindly ban him? --DevilX90 (talk) 14:44, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Spring CleaningEdit

Hello, hope you are well. I stumbled upon a pile of talk page and image redirects (which by their very nature are extraneous), and some old unneeded redirects from the project namespace realignment years ago. If you could delete these...there are some more, but I'll start with this. I will add the rest later. You could then cross them off or something.

Thanks in advance. Aveyn Knight just recently made a forum post regarding some misgivings I had with "Loptyr" (glad he did), and there's still the name-change bot subject to maybe check into, but other than that we are good. Have a good one.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 21:36, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Did you mark these things for deletion, or did you just dump them here? When things are to be deleted, you mark them for deletion.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:45, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Ouch, "dump"? Guilty as charged. It seemed like a rather pointless exercise in this specific situation. But normally I do.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 21:49, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

A big ass list of unlinked names doesn't help me at all. If anything, it gives me even more work. Stop being lazy. Mark them for deletion. Seriously, what were you thinking?--Otherarrow (talk) 21:53, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

I usually don't link to pages from talk pages. I'd have done it all myself if I was able to. I figured "copypaste" wasn't that much more time consuming than "clickdelete". I am sorry if I came across as lazy...I am inclined to agree with you, though. I'm sorry.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 21:59, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

I still don't get just what you were thinking. You went out of your way to find all of these things...and then didn't put them up for deletion. Instead, you just wrote down all the names and dumped them here. I am busy with other things at the moment, and I would really appreciate it if you just marked these things for deletion so I can go at them all at once instead of having to look them up in the Search Engine one by one.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:02, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

I just now linked all of them. You or I can then remove the internal link markups after the fact. Sorry for the trouble.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:04, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

And I just now deleted all of them. Sorry that I snapped at you but...yeah, what were you thinking? But it's OK, I have brain farts all the time.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:13, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

No trouble. You were in the right. I will link if I need to make an en masse request. I'm going to go snoop around for some more. Thanks for taking care of those =). Haha don't worry about me, I'll be fine.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:17, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Did you just add another list...after I explicitly told you that next time, you should just mark these things for deletion? You even admitted that you should have done that! Why didn't you do that? I deleted everything except the image redirects, because you didn't link them. Seriously, why did you decide to ignore this whole conversation?--Otherarrow (talk) 22:40, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Wait...what? A list, yes, but this time they were linked. I set them up and you knock them down. That is even easier than me marking them for deletion (mutually, might I add). I did not link the files because if I linked them, they would only go right to the actual image, not the redirect. That is of no help. I said that in the edit summary, though. Ugh, I hope you aren't too perturbed...I'm not. I actually have more, so...but I would like to point out that I look at nearly every user talk page edit on this site to keep current, a trait which I discovered is not something all of the regular users share.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:04, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by that? Anyway, since there are file redirects that you can't just link here, I think it would be easier to just put them up for deletion. This way, I can do everything all at once instead of doing all the stuff except the file redirects, then fiddle with the search engine trying to make it find nonsense filenames.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:06, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

You're totally right about the file redirects. I will do that for those, and from now on. For the rest, what I've been doing is mutually the easiest and most expeditious way of dealing with them. Again, I'm sorry about all this; you are correct on many points here. I blame my own stupidity and the Internet's shortcomings as a communications medium. My bad.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:14, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

List done. I still wish you would just use the delete template though, but whatever, it doesn't matter.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:36, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

I would have done just that if the amount of items were about 5 or less in one run, as they usually are. Actually, you may be on to something because of record-keeping purposes, but yeah, look, I admit I was being stupid in some areas. Lazy, never. Stupid, agreed. I'm sorry. Actually, I had been collecting those on a list for quite some time now. Ugh, well tomorrow's a new day.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:41, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's no problem as long as it gets done I guess, and it's partly my fault for being cranky, so don't worry about it.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:43, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

In your defense, though, you probably had every right to be. I'll wear the fault this time; it fits me a little better.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:46, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Moving Category PagesEdit

I'm not able to move/rename category pages. I would have done so for a few of them, but that's why I haven't yet. Fixing the resulting links would be very time consuming for some categories, like images ones, easier for others (like "Category:Seisen no Keifu chapters", only 13 pages). This gets back to that discussion about requesting a bot from Wikia. It's a common practice. Speaking of which, I spent a better part of the morning finishing up the fixing legacy names from pages that other people moved a while ago. I am usually not the one that moves pages, but I really make an effort to finish the cleanup when I do. I would like it if that was a lot more commonplace, but whatever, I think I good a good chunk of them, so things are getting better.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 14:53, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

You don't "move" category pages anyway. They don't exactly work the same way pages do. It would be easier to just replace them and put the "old name" up for deletion. Just moving the category just makes redirects, which is always a no no. As for legacy names, I keep telling people if they move the page, they are responsible for fixing the links, but only a few listen...--Otherarrow (talk) 15:09, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the clarification. This is unrelated, but can you unlock Template:Know? for a few minutes or so? There are some links and names I wanted to update on there.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 15:13, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. All done. Pending your approval, you can reprotect it now.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 15:19, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Bump?--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:35, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, nah. I changed the settings so that anons and new users can't edit it, and figured that was enough. You are the only guy who regularly edits it anyway, so I didn't want to block you from it.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:44, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Your choice. Ok. Either way, I'm done with it, and unless they localize FE6, so is everyone else pretty much.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:49, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

H3y 0th3r4rr0wEdit

Wh3r3 15 0ur 4pr1l F00l'5 J0|<3? 1f w3 d0 n07 h4v3 4n 0r1g1n4l 1d34 f0r n3xt y34r, 1 w1ll d0 s0m37h1ng 57up1d 70 7h3 m41n p4g3 n3x7 y34r. --Thenewguy34^(Other) 23:03, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

We aren't doing one this year. Sorry. Also, leet is a horrible idea and you should be ashamed of yourself.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:08, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Who said I was going to use 1337 on the main page? --Thenewguy34^(Other) 23:10, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Re: It doesn't need a image. All the visuals for the Dark Knight are reused from elsewhere. Paladin icon, Cavalier battle sprite, etc.Edit

An article without an image just feels weird and boring, why can't it have an image? ƒelinoel ~ (Talk) 01:44, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

One, there is no image to show. We don't need an image for the sake of an image. Two, you tried to put an image from the wrong game entirely.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:51, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

But it said it used the same everything from that class of the image I used... ƒelinoel ~ (Talk) 01:30, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

The class doesn't appear in New Mystery. Only Old Mystery.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:34, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

The article says that the class uses the sprite of the Cavalier. ƒelinoel ~ (Talk) 05:56, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

The Cavalier battle sprite from Old Mystery. You posted the Cavalier map sprite from New Mystery.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:36, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

and we don't have that image here? ƒelinoel ~ (Talk) 01:49, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Not that I know of.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:51, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Morgan Vandal + StuffEdit

Here: 2.228.151.221

As a sidenote, it'd really be cool if Template:Know? was reprotected. I hear you on your reasoning, but I'm not the only user here, and I'd prefer it if it wasn't used as someone else's ...um...playground. There are a few things requested for deletion review. Other than that, things seem to be a-ok. Sorry about Bauker recently, yeah, I agree with your revision.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 10:13, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

It's protected so that new editors and anons can't edit it. I doubt someone who has been active long enough to get through the protect is going to fuck it up. But if you are going to keep whining about it...--Otherarrow (talk) 14:43, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ugh, sorry to be a whiner back there. And yes, that's what I thought too. But, you know, I was surprised to learn otherwise...--Aivass Remurias (talk) 18:29, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

I see that King Marth went about trying to add useless facts to it. I see what you mean. Sorry to trouble you.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:42, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Not at all. We're good.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 18:43, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Two more vandals.

• 212.219.101.42
• 205.142.22.254‎

I hope these aren't repeat offenders from around a year or so ago. I didn't check that, but I did undo what they did.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 09:52, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

They aren't. If they were blocked before, it would have shown up on the block log.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:01, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for WelcomeEdit

Thanks for the welcome message! :) I look forrard to assisting a great resource as much as I can. Kaygee12 (talk) 03:24, April 5, 2013 (UTC) Kaygee12

Otherarrow, regarding the recent edit made by this user to Southtown and Talk:Southtown, I'm quite confused as to why this is a useful or even wanted contribution. What is going on with this?--Aivass Remurias (talk) 10:50, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

What was wrong with the edits? I don't see how adding more detail can be a bad thing. I was just trying to help. Eventually, I will do this for EVERY map of FE13, thus the wiki will be more complete and consistent. If you could give me a bit of insight on the style or format of my edits that would be greatly appreciated. I really enjoy the grid-style maps of FE games and would love to flesh out the bare, bare articles you currently have on them. --Kaygee12 (talk) 15:31, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think that with the maps themselves, a complete readout of the map layout is unnecessary. However, stuff like number of enemies and number of deployable units is fine.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:05, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

You are doing fine, Kaygee12. Nothing wrong. For the typical Fire Emblem "Desert" level, or the hidden treasure system used in FE10 and FE13, the idea was that we would have an extra edited image that showed the treasure "area" or "specific spots". Those would be the only real purpose, other than the featured image of the actual chapter map on the article, that would even fall under the topic of what you are expecting to provide. A long list of dimensions and metrics doesn't really transmit the info very well; it's as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. That's the underpinning of what I said here before. That's all. Drop me a line on my talk page if you wish to have further help with things, if you wish.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 05:59, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, Ill try to fit what I'm doing better into your format. All I can do at this point is keep trying. I'm very very new to wikis.Kaygee12 (talk) 16:10, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. It isn't that hard, you'll do fine.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:16, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Im just creating a page for the 2nd map "West of Ylisstol" but the FE13 template needs to be edited to show it exists, I'm not sure how to do that but I will look into it. Kaygee12 (talk) 16:48, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Aditional info here, how to I put the page I just made into the light blue drop down box for Fire Emblem: Awakening?    Kaygee12 (talk) 17:07, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

You have to edit the template page itself. It is found at Template:FE13. Don't worry about it, we will take care of it.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:17, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I can do it now that I know where it is. Thank you very much.  Kaygee12 (talk) 17:20, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

There is a specific order I want locations to be in, though it isn't hard to figure out. Just remember, locations in the same country are grouped together, and from there, it's order of appearance.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:21, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

In regards to that, "West of Ylisstol" is reached directly after "Southtown" and also should be directly before "The Northroad."  Thank you for all your help! Also, I am unable to edit that template so I must leave it to you haha. Thats not a huge deal as most if not all of the other locations are already made. I will be updating them though. I can't believe I messed up the spelling of my first page, :( lol  Kaygee12 (talk) 17:31, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. Everyone makes mistakes. Just keep at it.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:46, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for adding onto those chapter pages, Kaygee12! This could be the start of more good things! =)--Aivass Remurias (talk) 10:57, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

This File Here...Edit

I do not feel very confident on keeping this File:RDP2CF.png. It seems a bit too subjective to have around, and it also seems to be a bit random that one page has an image, and not another. Should we delete it?--Thenewguy34^(Other) 12:18, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

DLC ConverstationsEdit

Hello there! For most of the DLC conversations (minus the ones for the Infinite Regalia, EXPonential Growth, and Golden Gaffe) I wanted to see if it's okay to take these off of the character pages and just put them in a script for the DLC Episodes rather than flood the character pages with these quotes. Your thoughts?--Nauibotics (talk) 03:34, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good to me.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:41, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

PollEdit

The current poll is 14 months old. Since Awakening came out, how about we ask this:

• What asset did you pick for the Avatar?
  • HP
  • Strength
  • etc. etc.

It should only take a quick second to update. --Thenewguy34^(Other) 11:32, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Nah. I don't think we should be worrying about it. If I were in charge, we wouldn't even have a poll. I keep forgetting it is there.--Otherarrow (talk) 11:49, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Age info adviseEdit

Hey, do you think it's nessasary to put in age info in characters from Fire Emblem Awakening? I'm asking because I seen the age guesses mentioned in the pages of Emmeryn and Aversa (in trivias).– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.189.181.175 (talk).

I'm afraid he can't help you, because we don't know who you are. Hey, Otherarrow, tell him or her that the age info is unnecessary. And also, can you please do something about changing the name of the Xenologue Chapter, from "Border Between Life and Death" to "Death's Embrace"? -- DevilX90 (talk) 18:25, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Can't someone just move the page? I wouldn't be surprised if someone already did. Anywho, yeah, age speculation is dumb. Be rid of it.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:52, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

lol.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 07:59, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

I think I just found out what he's referring about in the chapter page since you locked the page infinity that you might not have noticed it that he mentioned it about the page was completely locked and nobody can't edited it to the page to fix the rest of the names.-- King Marth 64 (talk • other wikis • blogs) 03:55, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Why was that locked anyway? Oh right, you were being foolish and weren't paying attention to what you were doing at all, which lead you to get into an edit war with a new user who was likewise foolish and not paying attention. You don't have the right to whine about the page being locked since it was your own fault. Anywho, I'll fix it.--Otherarrow (talk) 07:40, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

lol, there they go again, rearranging the deck chairs...--Aivass Remurias (talk) 08:01, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

First off, can you please stop being rude, second, I was just found out right now that this was locked (I haven't checked it earlier) and I didn't wrote the "and" it was someone else and it was a mistake and I was confused from him which he was suppose to corrected, not causing an edit war (that he made me confused what he was doing) and third, I was removing the redirects since I moved Smash Brethren series, not Rogue series (I haven't seen I haven't seen what Rogue series what was using "and" or "&" earlier), I apologies for this, but you are kinda being rude, but I am helping out the wiki.-- King Marth 64 (talk • other wikis • blogs) 07:49, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

He's just assertively professing his frustrations in a direct manner. Candidly, I myself just happen to be in accordance with his position. I've said it before on talk pages aka Talk:Ith and Talk:Avatar, etc. You do tend to get a little trigger-happy and twitchy-eyed when it comes to page moves, KM64. I can forgive you because you can be endearing at times and are an excellent editor of repetitive tasks and the like, and are an upstanding and hard-working citizen of the wikia. We don't always agree, but you are usually quick with the self-adjustment regardless. And you have a way with words. I don't know why DevilX90 is so bellicose, and I won't theorize. Actually, it's kind of quaint, but hasn't gotten too disruptive, so meh. It's all just too entertaining. And the link fixes? Already done, lol.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 07:58, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

You, Aivass Remurias, two questions: What does "bellicose" even mean? Is that even a word?! -- DevilX90 (talk) 01:18, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

It is. It means he is saying that you like to start fights. Everyone, myself included, needs to just relax. We are all friends here, and there is no need to insult each other, whether passively or directly, made snarky comments at each other, etc. I will start: I am sorry. I overreacted.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:02, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

As a precaution, if I insulted anyone, I am sorry. There are not too many outrageous demands being put forth though, so I don't see this as an even remotely hot issue or discussion. What I write on talk pages is best read in a happy and optimistic tone, even silly. It really is hard to judge intent on the Internet sometimes.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 19:40, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I think you should fix the FE4 pictures.  The most recent ones used are these, as seen in their Awakening Spotpasses.  It's probably safe to say that they could be uploaded for the entirety of the characters, but if you'd prefer just to do the ones that were actually spotpasses, feel free.  But it's a policy here to use the most recent pictures, am I right?  Well, there you go.  I just wanted to check with you instead of just doing it myself, since you seem to be the one to check with.

NewMagesUnity (talk) 15:43, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

We actually should be using the TCG art already, but someone swapped it to the Treasure art then the Super Tactics Book art already. You have to ask whoever changed it what is up with that. If I were to speak, though, the TCG art isn't new art. It's reusing old art. That would be like if, for instance, the FE1 SpotPass, for whatever reason, decided to use the old crappy FE1 art. Does that mean the FE1 art suddenly takes presidence over the TCG or remake art? What about Sheeda, her art in the SpotPass is taken from Shadow Dragon, does that mean that we should use her Shadow Dragon art instead of her New Mystery art? I don't think this applies to FE4 art (as we probably should be using at the very least art from Treasure, if not the TCG outright, though Treasure art was featured in the TCG) but it's something to think about.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:12, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

On WyvernsEdit

Xane's implicaiton that Wyverns were once a Dragon tribe in the Graveyard of Fire Dragons isn't there in the remake? I don't know if its an intentional retcon or it was cut for spacing reasons. And I'll look to see if theres any other support in the game where wyverns are mentioned as a Dragon Tribe. 

If this really is a retcon, this could explain why Wyverns seem to be so populous as the Dragon Tribes were said to have become sterile around the time they started degenerating. Emperor Hardin (talk) 19:14, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

If it isn't mentioned, it doesn't change a thing. It's still mentioned in Mystery. Also, wait sterile? I don't recall that. Birthrates dropped, but Tiki and the fact that the Manakete race continues all the way until Awakening proves they weren't sterile.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:26, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not saying it changes anything, but its interesting to note.

Depending on the translation, Xane says they couldn't give birth anymore or started becoming sterile. I'm going say this doesn't apply to all manaketes but merely the majority have sterility problems So an average manakete is likely to be sterile. Emperor Hardin (talk) 19:52, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

It is likely that the ones who aren't sterile...continued to breed, and if the new ones weren't sterile, etc etc. I wouldn't worry about it.--Otherarrow (talk) 20:16, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Do you think this could be why Manaketes have become so rare in Ylisse? Emperor Hardin (talk) 20:24, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Who knows? I wouldn't be surprised if they were just in hiding somewhere though.--Otherarrow (talk) 20:29, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

User:DevilX90Edit

Don't take this as whining, but I'm looking through the user's contributions, and there was a good amount of vandalism revision on his part, but at the same time, there is way too much removal of good content and things he just tossed out because he either didn't understand what it did, or just because. I can't even fix all of it because there are intermediate edits. And he's being very rude during all of this, I mean there's every thing from racist to gay to things I don't want to repeat. Just look at the edit summaries. And didn't stop even after we all talked it over. I did not go to him because I know that would've gotten ugly. So I'm asking for some assistance. Please.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:15, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed what I could. Should be fine. All that's left is to get him to stop, really.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:27, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, you aren't whining here. You don't whine most of the time. It was just that one thing (hell, it wasn't even that one thing, it was your later addition to it about the Wikibreak that came off as whiny to me. The rest was a bit demanding, IMO, but not whiny). As for DevilX90, the removal of content doesn't seem like he is actively doing it to be disruptive, but because he doesn't know better. I do wonder why he continues to patrol the pages for a game that, by his own admission, he hasn't played and has no knowledge of. (Hell, even I am more knowledgeable of Awakening details). As for fixing it and his rudeness, I don't know what to do. He is extremely stubborn, and in previous conversations refused to budge until I had to take adminitrative action (either by locking the page or threatening to ban him). I don't know how do deal with someone like that! Should I just ban him for a few days and see if it will make him chill out? (this isn't a hypothetical question btw. I want your opinion)--Otherarrow (talk) 23:30, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, I don't think the removal of stuff was meant to be disruptive. I thought just talking to him would be fine.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:58, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

What?! Oh, come on! I wasn't even trying to be rude this time. In fact, the only rude one I see is you, Aivass. You called me gay and racist, that's not very nice, not very nice at all! -- DevilX90 (talk) 16:39, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, you were the one who used "gay" as in insult when reverting vandals. I haven't seen any racist comments, but I wouldn't be surprised. What is wrong with being gay exactly? Anyway, while you have let up a little bit, I still see you being rude to other users and baiting the trolls, both of which are no-nos.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:49, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

I never called him any of those things. Read what I said, DevilX90. I was referring to your edit summaries. Racist was on Shinon. I don't think you're removing things to be disruptive, but the things you're saying when you're doing it are bothering me and others.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:53, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you ment that he made a racist remark. My bad. But...yeah, don't insult people, don't remove content unless you know from first hand experience that it's wrong, and generally, don't be a jerk.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:59, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Too many edit-conflicts happened to me on this page (poor choice of name considering the topics). The racist thing was in an edit summary. I hope everything's fine now. I'm not in favor of banning for the reasons you stated, Otherarrow. More of a "look, please stop being so rude everywhere" type thing.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 00:14, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

That's perfectly fair. Sorry about that.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:22, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Talk Page NotificationsEdit

This has been a frustration of mine. It has thrown myself, Aveyn Knight, and you for a loop at one point or another. In Monobook at least, the wikia will give two notification links, "You have new messages" and "See changes" or something like that. It will also do it for cross-wikia announcements, resulting in the appearance of no changes at all (I just click "dimiss this message" on those). But, in a given day's "recent changes", I just click on (# changes) listed beside my my talk page. That way I wouldn't miss anything, and could see if someone replied to an earlier thread as well. That also helps with reducing the amount of threads needed.

I feel this was important to note as far as communication. I was aware of it before, just sharing some info. I think Aveyn Knight may appreciate it, too. Sorry for any trouble.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 00:24, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Nah, I try to click changes as well. It's no trouble. Sorry I was such a dick earlier.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:12, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Totally cool. No problem. =) Tends to happen from time to time, even between people that have worked with each other awhile. I appreciate the feedback, actually, so that was actually good. Tone and intention are so hard to judge from Internet postings, ugh. Emoticons are silly, but I do admit that they help a little bit.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 01:46, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Quick elaboration about the Nowi images.Edit

I went and dug up where the higher quality one comes from.

Here:https://picasaweb.google.com/114197013914591167742/FEScans?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCK7wpp7PgujV-AE&feat=directlink (, scroll to the bottom granted, these scans aren't as good, but it is the book that it's from.) RemnantSage on SF has the book and scanned it, but not as high of a quality. If someone else has that book, it may be a good idea to get some good scans, as those don't have the border like Knights of Iris.

Not sure which book it is, exactly, though. L95 (talk) 11:18, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

If we don't know what book it is, how can we scan it? Anywho, I'd talk to Laoni (I think that was their name?) who scanned the Knights of Iris book.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:20, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Looking at a filename of an image from that book (Tiki_and_Bantu_(Memorial_Book_Archanea_Chronicle).jpg) it's the memorial book. 76.7.48.26 15:56, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

My point was more 'here is where that Nowi pic came from, and that it isn't ingame' and I meant this as a note that if anyone happens to have a better scanner and the book they should. I meant the whole scanning thing as a sub note. My point was neither of the images were ingame screen shots.L95 (talk) 16:44, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Anon: The Material Book predates Awakening and I don't think has any Awakening related art.

L95: Ah, my mistake. I know the other pages use "Knights of Iris, then in game" so I assumed likewise. Again, my bad.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:31, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

The "book" in question is just a booklet that came with an issue of Nintendo Dream (or another Japanese magazine). To be honest, you probably won't find another person who has the booklet and a scanner and secondly, you probably won't get a significantly better quality image anyway because the booklet is so thin. What you might want to do is just resize the image to 50% and you'll get a slightly better-looking image. Aveyn Knight (talk) 18:46, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Potential Archetype?Edit

I have two theories towards archetypes, though one of them needs to be taken a bit closer look at before I put in on the table. The archetype I am proposing is:

The Tiki Archetype. Members of the Tiki Archetype are female Manaketes that join the player's ranks usually midway/later on in the game (Nowi is an exception, as she joins relatively early). They tend to look like and behave like children, even though they are usually around/over 1,000 years old.

The following are:

• Tiki (FE1/3/11/12)
• Fae (FE6)
• Myrrh (FE8)
• Nowi (FE13)

Does this look legitimate?--Thenewguy34^(Other) 19:05, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

So basically "every recruitable manakete who isn't Bantu, Nagi, or Nah"? I don't think we should be trying to force Archetypes, or assume a intentional pattern where their probably isn't one. A lot of the old archetypes got really contrived before I cleaned it up, and we should just leave it alone.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:18, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth (probably not a lot, but...<.<), I agree with the proposal. Looks legit to me, just not my call. Oh wells. I can see what Otherarrow means by "contrived" regarding some past archetypes, though. I think it still leaves a bitter taste.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 20:10, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Except it is not exactly "every recruitable manakete who is not Bantu, Nagi, or Nah" because all four of the manaketes in this archetype have recurring personalities, traits, etc. It is not like it is "every recruitable Cavalier that does not fit in Cain or Abel" or "every Archer that does not fit in Gordin". I mean, you would not be so supposed to this if we had more playable manaketes of different personalities, because you have more to compare to. But what I am proposing is not some "Frey/Matthis" or "Tomas" archetype.--Thenewguy34^(Other) 20:56, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter before I decided to favor the idea. For what it's worth.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 21:30, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

We shouldn't be fishing for Archetypes. Just leave it alone before it gets into a fanwank mess again. Jesus. Oh, and the only Manaketes that would fit would be Tiki and Fae, though the later is clearly based on the former. Nowi joins early game and is the first of three Manaketes you get, so including her would be a stretch, and Myrrh is nothing like the others character wise aside from "looks like a kid". There. Two people doesn't make an archetype. Now go do something productive.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:40, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Put that way, I'd have to agree with your reasoning. Damn. Definitely changed my mind; never let it be said that I'm not above doing so lol. I'm glad you continue to maintain a strict archetype criteria, as negligence turns the topic from a worthwhile one to a fancrufty one surprisingly quickly. Nice fishing analogy. Looks like this might be another case of the one that got away...--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:59, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

To clarify, and to avoid hurt feelings or whatever (hurrr...), when Otherarrow says "two people", he didn't mean Thenewguy34 and myself; he was referring to Tiki and Fae.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:03, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I meant Tiki and Fae. Sorry if I wasn't clear there.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:13, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

No, no it's cool. I actually had to read what you posted twice to catch that lol. Just thought I'd mention it. No offense taken whatsoever, you being right about this (just imo) not withstanding.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 00:16, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

“Nowi joins early game and is the first of three Manaketes you get, so including her would be a stretch...”

—Otherarrow

Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon: Bantu exists, and even Nagi. At least get the facts right in an argument. And I never said I was fishing for an archetype. I noticed a pattern, and wanted to see if it was an applicable archetype. --Thenewguy34^(Other) 19:35, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Well, this sounds familiar. I honestly think having pages for archetypes are dumb in the first place, and this one is pretty broad. Why is Nowi on this list if she is an exception? If you allow exceptions, why not Nagi? She joins late game, and is female. Or why noy Bantu? He joins early, and you let Nowi in, and you made exceptions, so him being male isn't a problem. Would Nah be a closer representation of the archetype in Awakeing? she joins relativley late. Is it just join time, or personality? What about optional late joinging manaketes (EX: Nagi and Nah) How does ;Morgan fit into this?L95 (talk) 19:58, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Do Nagi and Bantu look like children to you? Nah does not even behave like a child, and Morgan is not guaranteed to even be a Manakete. And not every member of an archetype follows every little detail. As I said, at least get the facts right in an argument. --Thenewguy34^(Other) 20:13, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

In FE1 and Book 1 of FE3, Tiki is the last Manakete of two you get. Nowi is the first of three/four. Why quote me then say I am "getting the facts wrong" when...nothing you've said disproves what I've said. I think you were just being rude for no reason there, instead of just doing something more important with your time.--Otherarrow (talk) 20:20, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Harvest Scramble ConvosEdit

I left this message on another admin's thing but since they're inactive I'll leave it here. I'm currently typing up the special conversations from the new Harvest Scramble DLC and wondering if they could be put to use on the Wiki.  I'm doing them at a some what slow rate since it's a lot of typing, also I plan to work on the other Scramble DLCs as they come out.  So if you think they can be put in some where just tell me~– The preceding unsigned comment was added by NintendoGamerCole (talk • contribs).

I think we do have script pages for the other DLC chapters, so go for it. I'd ask the folks who are working on the other pages for details.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:41, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Quick Message Regarding File Rename RequestsEdit

There are quite a few images that have rename requests on them. Regardless of whether to act on them or remove them (as I'm not sure having the localized name in the file name really matters), could you take a look? At the same time, it might be a good practice to at least expect the localized name on featured images. Food for thought? Either way, the requests really added onto the Wanted Page cache. Would you make a decision regarding the above when you get the chance? Thanks. Hope you are having a good day today. I myself am pressed for time at the moment, but should have plenty of time to browse around a bit later. =)--Aivass Remurias (talk) 02:49, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

If the name is legible and not nonsense, it is fine. As long as you can tell what the image is from the filename and categories, it doesn't need to be moved, even if it uses a "old" or "unofficial" name. Page moves happen all the time, but images don't move with them, after all.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:25, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. I wasn't really favoring one opinion over another in this case. More like a notification like "check this out".--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:29, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

Bad IPEdit

I didn't realize it until, now but the following IP (184.170.114.126) has been up to no good. Take a look at that IP's contributions. Some bad stuff. Thought I'd drop you a line and notify you; I didn't catch it until now. Thoughts?--Aivass Remurias (talk) 11:34, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

I just now made sure, but I'd thought I should add that most of the vandalism, etc. was reverted or fixed by User:L95 (if not all). So that should make things a bit easier.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 11:51, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Divine Dragon translation Edit

According to google translate, Divine Dragon is "God Dragon" and Radiant Dawn's Japanese name is translated as "Goddess of dawn." Due to this, I'm questioning whether the Japanese name for Divine Dragon really is gender specific. Emperor Hardin (talk) 03:33, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I am not fluient, but I am pretty sure Goddess Dragon would be something like "女神龍". I agree that the title is gender neutral, at the very least. And Godess in 'Godess of Dawn' which is... "女神". So, yeah, japanese name looks gender neutral. Unless the japanese material mentions it in english somewhere?. L95 (talk) 03:44, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I think it is mentioned in English somewhere. It is listed as "Goddess Dragon" as the official romanized term over at Serenes Forest, and I trust their info.--Otherarrow (talk) 12:52, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

The only time "Divine Dragon" is romanised is in FE11/12's internal game data and for an unused class too. So you could argue about whether its canon or not. Funnily enough, I just checked and the class is actually referred to as "GODDESSDRAGON_F" (as if there could be male Goddess Dragons...!). Aveyn Knight (talk) 13:18, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Clearly, they were thinking about Xane and Gotoh. Heh. But jokes aside, yeah, that's probably at least noteworthy, though if it "counts" is a whole other matter. We don't "count" Alacalibur, for instance.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:33, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about them for a moment. Another thing I forgot to mention: the Divinestone, which is actually used, is labelled as GODDESSSTONE, so that's a slight positive in canon's favour. I'm not here to argue about canon, but I personally like the name "Goddess Dragon"; it's got a nice ring to it. Aveyn Knight (talk) 14:38, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Oh yes, it does, I agree. Canon or no, I do think it is at least noteworthy, but that's because I always think about "man, how would this affect the wiki" when it comes to naming stuff like this. It's my own problem. Thanks for the info btw.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:43, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I totally understand the point about affecting things, especially when you have so many pages to potentially change. Anyway, my last word in this topic before I feel like I'm spamming: some of the internal names aren't really suited for actual reference because they're either bonkers (Arrowspate is labelled Clainclain, which doesn't reflect the katakana or any known word I know, but it is similar to the word Cranequin, which is the katakana swapped around--Quincrane) or don't actually refer to the item (eg. Ettard (in Japanese FE9) is labelled Alondite).

When I choose to use internal names or not, I usually factor in other internal names of a similar nature, like in this case I'd look at the other class names, or which game it's from (some games are more reliable than others, especially more recent ones). However you might not have them as reference.

This is a bit off-topic now, but it's funny how Nagi is Naga in the game code and you also see Nagi's artwork labelled the same way on the official site [3]. Heck, even her profile in the Archanea Memorial Book erroneously has her name as Naga! Aveyn Knight (talk) 15:03, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, so Alondite, which is Ettard in the Japanese version...is labeled Alondite in the gamedata for the Japanese version? I don't know what to make of that. It's possible that the localization using Alondite didn't just come from nothing, but I wonder what the story behind that is? Did they plan to name it Alondite, changed their minds after putting it in the game, and the localizers noticed the outdated internal name and ran with it? Then, when they made RD, they had Ike's personal sword Alondite after the unused name for Ettard...which the localizers noticed and thus named this sword Ettard. But now I am just speculating.

But yeah, I do get what you mean otherwise. Clainclain just sounds like nonsense. As for Nagi...yeah, her internal name being Naga in the game and on the site I can get as sort of a "hint hint" easter egg kinda thing, but it being romanized as such in the Memorial Book, in plain sight and such, does make me wonder if it's just a recurring goof that happens to accidentally spoil the big mystery behind her. I know the Shadow Dragon site itself does romanize it as "Nagi" though, so I doubt it was intended to be blatantly "Naga".

Don't worry about considering your replies to be spamming. I personally don't mind.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:17, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Do you mind if it put "God" Or "Goddess Dragon" for the Japanese name? And mention the romanization in the notes section for Divine Dragons? Emperor Hardin (talk) 18:55, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'd stick with Goddess. With the Divinestone being the "Goddessstone", yeah.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:50, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I just made an edit on the page, do you think it works? Emperor Hardin (talk) 22:14, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

The Japanese does mean "god dragon" but no romanization or internal name uses that specfic phrasing. Only Goddess Dragon. Noting God Dragon as an "official romanization" is technically lying. Also, there isn't some big controversy over this, most fans don't even notice this kind of thing.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:43, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I didn't say it was the "official romanization", infact Goddess Dragon was put first in the edit. I didn't say controversy, but rather confusion. Emperor Hardin (talk) 01:25, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Localization of CaedaEdit

Just wondering, despite Sheeda having already been localized as Caeda in Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and Fire Emblem: Awakening, why is she still called Sheeda on this wiki site? The same goes for Akaneia, which has already been localized as Archanea, and Medon, which has already been localized as Macedon. --Agarfinkel (talk) 17:05, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Shadow Dragon came out first in Europe, where her name is Shiida, Akaneia is Akaneia, Macedonia is Medon, etc etc. As that was the first English version to be released, it is the one we went with. If you want to contest this, I'd bring it up on the forum, as this policy is pretty ingrained at this point. The Akaneia stuff touches nearly everywhere, and moving all the pages would be a lot of work.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:17, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

TriviaEdit

Hi,

why deleting my trivia post anytime ?

isn't it a wiki, so anybody can add things ? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.160.179.168 (talk).

You do realize that a lot of your "trivia" are assumptions or completely wrong/irrelevant, right? It's not that we are deleting it because we can. If you're going to add stuff, make sure to do proper research before you make wrong additions to pages.—Nauibotics (talk) 21:40, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Nauibotics is right, unidentified user (I can't call you "nobody" because they told me not to). What you just added was ridiculous. So please, whoever or whatever you are, quit adding false Trivia. Honestly, unidentified user, must you always forget how to sign your post properly, huh? -- DevilX90 (talk) 14:46, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Merging Forrest Knight and Awakening Bow KnightEdit

The Bow Knight from Fire Emblem: Awakening seems way too similar to The Sacred Stones Ranger for me to ignore. They can both be promoted to from both the Mercenary and Archer classes, they are mounted, and can use Swords and Bows. In both The Sacred Stones and Awakening, the Mercenary chooses between Hero or this class, and Archer chooses between Sniper or this class. While Bow Knight is indeed a class in Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, two games that also localized, they promote into Paladin-type classes, which is not the same as the Forrest Knight. I understand that there have been quite a number of classes that have been mounts wielding both Swords and Bows, such as Horseman and Nomadic Trooper, but they cannot be promoted to from the Mercenary or Archer class. Due to the deeper similarities between the Ranger from The Sacred Stones and the Bow Knight from Awakening. What do you say? --Thenewguy34^(Other) 21:47, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Similar classes always have existed across games. However, for us to assume that two similar but distinctly named classes are actually the same thing is just that, an assumption, and if we are to be factual, we must not make such an assumption. As you stated, Bow Knight has been used as more than just "mounted Archer/Merc promotion" as the first tier mounted bow user in the Tellius games, and it is also the third tier bow user in Gaiden. Merging it with Forrest Knight/Ranger simply because "they serve the same role as it in one single game" would be completely disregarding all the other appearances of the class. That would be akin to merging Myrmidon with Hero because Myrms in Gaiden were basically renamed Heroes.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:55, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

No, no, no. I mean to move only the Awakening section to Forrest Knight. I am not suggesting that we move the Tellius and Gaiden stuff, only the Awakening section. --Thenewguy34^(Other) 12:23, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

No. That would, again, be an assumption, and if we are to be factual, we must not make such assumptions. Actually, no, assuming that "Awakening Ranger" and "The Sacred Stones Ranger" are the same class would be an outright lie, because they are not the same class. They are similar classes, but similar classes exist throughout the series. Seriously, why would you even consider this?--Otherarrow (talk) 14:20, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Because they seemed too similar to not merge. --Thenewguy34^(Other) 12:55, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

That seems kinda silly reasoning. Anyway, yeah, it's not our place to assume.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:05, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Clarification would be appreciated Edit

Hello! I hope I'm not asking the wrong person, and if I am, I apologize. >__< I recently began contributing to Awakening's game scripts, and noticed some of DevilX90's edits and summaries (in addition to his talk page) expressed discontent with the identities of the "???" characters revealed in the Future Past 1 script. Should these be taken with a grain of salt, or am I misunderstanding what seems to be an open/unmarked spoiler policy? Thank you in advance for your time. —Eku53ru (talk) 02:23, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reveal them. The DLC is out, and it's pretty clear from even the first chapter who they are. We don't really have a spoiler policy for scripts or the like, and just crediting Morgan as "???" would just confuse readers.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:37, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Mm, good point. I wasn't too sure on what to do since the game refers to both of them as "???" (blatantly obvious portraits aside). I'll go ahead and switch out the other one. Thanks again! —Eku53ru (talk) 05:00, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

I found some sort of goof in the wikiaEdit

I noticed that the Sun Sword image and the Neir holy blood axe image have been switched around somehow. I have absolutely no idea how to fix this situation, so I decided the best solution would be to notify an admin. Fargo294 (talk) 19:59, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Can you...Edit

I notice that some of the proposed archetype members you removed came back. Can you look at Archetype again please? Mustafa is fought relatively early in the game, and I really think that he does not belong as a Camus, as there are more characters of good faith that are fought than fit the archetype. I guess I could see Panne as a Nyna, due to the whole genocide incident, but I will let you be the judge. --Thenewguy34^(Other) 11:09, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

I'll deal with it...--Otherarrow (talk) 12:40, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Image Edit

« Zahlzeit 00:41, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Done. Never thought I'd be deleting images like this again. We do have a delete template at {{delete}}, but I admit I don't check the category every day.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:48, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Serenes Info. Edit

Okay, I will add the information when I feel like it. Or you can, I'm probably not going to do it now if anytime. « Zahlzeit 01:10, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

If we want to be sure, I'd go ahead and ask him, but I don't think it would be any trouble? Then again, what do I know? Eh, the info will probably need to be added eventually. I'll get around to it if no one else will. (I am way too lazy for this)--Otherarrow (talk) 01:13, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind forget it, I just noticed BEXP info is on every single chapter page. « Zahlzeit 01:17, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Oh it is? I don't really go near the Tellius related stuff unless it's through just general Recent Change browsing, so I wouldn't know. Sorry for the trouble.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:36, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Did you not play the Tellius games? I'm finishing up RD right now actually. « Zahlzeit 01:38, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

I haven't. I don't have a Gamecube or Wii. (Actually, at the moment, I just have a GBA. A 3DS is planned for the future though)--Otherarrow (talk) 01:41, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

You haven't really missed out on much, IMO the Tellius games suck. Anyway just just my 2 cents. « Zahlzeit 01:52, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

PollEdit

Can you unlock editting of the poll archive and poll template? I don't think anyone who doesn't know what they're doing can even access it anyway since they have to edit a template page. I am planning on updating the poll in some kind of interval like the Megami Tensei wikia. « Zahlzeit 02:52, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, sure. I don't mind. I...forgot why they were protected in the first place, to be honest. I know someone asked me to change the poll in the past and I didn't...because I had nothing to ask and didn't want to worry about it, but I honestly had nothing to tell them on why it was locked in the first place. Semaj (the admin who came after me, he isn't around anymore though) did that a long long time ago.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:57, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Can you remove all the photos marked with the delete template? Also all the Chrom ones I haven't linked aside from the very, very last one called Chrom Front Pager 1209. « Zahlzeit 04:11, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Also, can you remove protection on Know? template? It is insanely hard to access and etc. I want to remove some of the more obvious Did You Knows and put in some. After my edit you can remove or add if you see fit. « Zahlzeit 04:14, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

One more thing, can you change the background to one of these tiles and set it to repeating? Make your judgement on whether to change the background or not, but personally I THINK the first tile will look good. Also if they look bad, is it an issue of the size of the small size of the tiles? That's one of the things I was concerned about. « Zahlzeit 05:25, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

I do not like the new look of the main page. I like the featured article more, and the poll seems a little overemphasized. I honestly feel a little rattled by the change, and want a bigger user consensus and compromise for this type of change. --Thenewguy34^(Other) 11:17, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Thenewguy: The featured article was never updated and, well, no one really seemed to care about featuring the best article we had. They wanted to either feature their favorite character, capitalize on hype, or have a new article featured for the sole reason to have something new featured. We asked on the main page if anyone minded, and no one responded there.

Zahlzeit:Done with all of that...except the background. I do not know how to update the background, or to set it to repeating. Just tell me the where and how, and I will take care of it. (they didn't give me any sort of "admin's handbook!") EDIT:Also, on the topic of the front page Chrom, there is the problem of...well, it doesn't "fit" into the main page in Monobook, so I had to remove it. When making your alterations, try to see that they work in both skins (I can check for Monobook if you want)--Otherarrow (talk) 12:54, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

I am totally disagreeing on this, I think we should put the featured article template back to the Main Page.-- King Marth 64 (talk • other wikis • blogs) 17:58, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Bring it up on the main page. We brought it up on the main page and I said "I don't mind if no one else minds" but you all were silent! Of course, remember, there is no point in having something just to have it. The featured article had no one assigned to handle it (as the person who did handle it vanished right after he agreed to it) and I often forget to update it. And then we get the rather common occurrence of folks voting for an article based on what the article is on, not based on the article's quality. Anyway, yeah. We have a topic on the main page for this. I don't want the discussion here to get derailed with folks whining about the featured article. (which, to note, wasn't even mentioned here before you guys complained about it)--Otherarrow (talk) 18:23, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well I think I can understand why they want it, a front page devoid of images feels empty which is why I put chrome portrait but yeah I forgot to check for Monobook. Anyway I put it back, I guess I'll update it when I feel like it, really though there is no point to it aside from aesthetics. « Zahlzeit 01:13, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, that will do for now I guess. That leaves the background bit I think? Of course, there are probably more little things that may need some sprucing up.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:16, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

While I understand perfectly that I'm at extreme risk of "whining" here, I find it kind of odd, to put it politely, that such major and visible changes were considered and implemented so quickly without much time for anything resembling due process (removing the featured article? =S...lol) or any robust reasoning behind such changes. Looks like King Marth and Thenewguy were quick to rise to the defense of established constructs of the site, of which I'm extremely grateful for. The poll and poll archive were protected to prevent tampering, and since there is no real need for anyone but an admin to edit them, I was perplexed. Regardless, looks like everything is not all bad now, and things are fine.

I have always said, and will always say that MonoBook is the way to go for editors. Annoying as it is, Oasis is fine (I guess) for casual readers, editors, the non-editing public viewership. Complaining, for lack of a better word (as it sounds harsh to me), about Oasis formatting issues and how things look messed up/are not working 100% when using it to view the site is a little foolish, yeah?

Eh, sorry if needed, I don't want to offend anyone, but some of these events and and changes proposed are a bit troubling. The Bane/Whisper merge discussion set off about 4 alarms in itself lol. But seriously...the slippery slope just became a cliff with that one. =L--Aivass Remurias (talk) 11:43, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

For the featured article thing, I apologize, but at the time, like I said, no one said anything! I posted "I don't mind if no one else minds", went to sleep, then woke up the next day with it gone and no one else having commented, so it looked to me like no one else minded! But either way, it was a rash decision and I am sorry. As for Oasis, while it might not be the recommended skin, it is the skin that most readers will see, like it or no, so we do need to take it into consideration. As for the Poll and such...I actually don't remember why they were protected. It was done so long ago and Semaj didn't give any reasoning. Also, as Zahlzeit said, those are template pages. It's not like normal joe vandal would know how to access them.--Otherarrow (talk) 13:39, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

No, no, you're fine. It's just that I thought a 12-hour period for people to discover and respond to such a request seemed quite short. We're cool, looks like things are mostly fine. I do feel that the "Did You Know?" and "Current Poll" /should/ be side to side like we had it, rather than stacked on top of each other. I guess that's the only thing that hasn't been reinstituted yet.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 20:33, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

I just use Oasis because it's what I was exposed to first and whatever I see on Oasis is what most of the people visiting the wikia will see.

As for having them side by side, I'd like to do that but I didn't like it before because the DYK section was really huge and long and in the middle--this very narrow section just jutting out from everything. Now that the DYK is not protected I'm planning on just making it so it selects less facts at once so it isn't as long.

Additionally to back up my previous point, the Know? template in particular is notoriously hard to get into because you can't type it into the address bar as is. « Zahlzeit 21:20, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

You can type it into the search bar though, but I doubt most people know that. I get your reasoning for the rest though.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:43, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

What's wrong with just 10 DYKs? That's seems to be a good number. And the Know? template was protected because people kept messing with it and adding sub-standard (to put it politely) stuff to it. An admin is really the only one who has any business with it. It has the potential to become controversial as to what is on/not on it, see? And lol I really don't see what you mean when you state that having them side by side is a problem, in both MonoBook and Oasis, for that matter. I'd really like to see it changed back to side by side, personally.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 05:18, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

I can give more reasoning later, if needed.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 05:20, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Haven't forgotten about this; I don't feel that most discussions shouldn't really have an expiration date. I will make my case when I get the opportunity. I don't feel I'm alone in this, for sure.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 20:56, May 24, 2013 (UTC)